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When research doesn't quite go as far as you might hope

So this is either the best discovery ever (for writing purposes) or absolutely terrible. I'm not sure.

In one of the White Collar Werewolf Peter AU stories, it is mentioned that Elizabeth keeps ketamine on hand to sedate him in case he gets out of hand as a werewolf. (His idea, not hers. SHE doesn't think he'd ever do anything. He feels better if she has some way of stopping him in case of werewolf attack.)

I mentioned ketamine because I'd looked up veterinary tranquilizers and needed a fast-acting one. Unfortunately for Peter, it appears that I missed a few side effects. There was a post today at ScriptMedic (a resource Tumblr for writing medical stuff) that talks about ketamine, and apparently, um, well:

In low doses, ketamine can relieve pain. It can also make people feel very “stoned”.
In medium doses, it can cause hallucinations. This is what the drug using community refers to as “falling down the K-hole,” and ketamine is indeed known for its illicit uses.


But it actually gets EVEN WORSE:

If the patient develops distress shortly after an initial dose, the patient is not fully dissociated and the best maneuver is usually to give more ketamine. [...]

In high doses, ketamine works as an anesthetic, specifically a dissociative anesthetic. It shuts the brain off from outside stimulus completely. Basically what ketamine does is it shuts the brain off from outside stimuli. That means that even though someone’s eyes are open (and possibly twitching, medically referred to as nystagmus) their brain isn’t processing information from them.

Think of it like this: with most anesthetics, the brain is temporarily turned off. With ketamine, the brain isn’t turned off – it’s just disconnected from the outside world.

However, if someone is unprepared for it, those hallucinations can seem like a nightmare. And there is a portion of patients who get ketamine and, as it starts to wear off, they start screaming uncontrollably. This is called an “emergence reaction,” as they emerge from anesthesia and slip into the K-hole.

Someone who has been sedated/anosthetized with ketamine, especially if it’s against their will (used as a “knockout drug”), will likely have very negative hallucinations. To an outsider they’ll be lying on the floor, eyes open and blinking, unable to move or react to anything. It’s a great moment for a horror scene, or a horrific element to an action plot, especially if they have an emergence reaction and come back to reality screaming.


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Heeee... but you know what? The first thing that came to mind when I started reading was, ok, but this is about ppl and we are talking werewolf here, different metabolism, different DNA... so, yeah. I say it doesn't really apply :P
Well ... true. XD But apparently it also does the same thing to animals, except no one really cares all that much because they're animals (;____;) and so, if it sedates him at all, it should sedate him by doing something like that instead of just knocking him out. I can't figure out if I need to write this or never think about it again. Votes? :D
LOL... you know I love this verse but what my brain actually processed from that particular scene was that El has tranqulizer b/c Peter made her keep it but they're not gonna use it anyway :D So before this post if you had asked me what that tranquilizer was, I'd be all uuuuhhhhhhhhmmm.... :P

On the other hand, if you have another name you can put there instead of k, that should be easy to change :D
I doubt if anyone remembers the specifics AT ALL. I only remembered because I was the one who wrote it and I'd looked it up, so when I read that scriptmedic post, I went ... wait ... ketamine ... that sounds terribly familiar. XD

You're right that it would be very easy to change. And yet, the h/c potential ...
Anyway, I'm sure that a scared, hallucinating Peter!wolf being petted calm by Neal and Elizabeth would be relevant to the interests of absolutely nobody around here ... XD

That sounds quite scary, poor animals .  Would 💓 to read a fic where Peter is accidentally dosed or maybe intentially by some one who found out his secret (Keller) hint hint

It's actually got a lot in common with that paralysis/rescue-breathing thing I wrote in that one Steve & Bucky & Natasha fic. Except, well, with hallucinations and terror.

it's funny how this makes the writers go "oooh" when really..it's not funny XD

Edited at 2017-03-21 02:03 pm (UTC)
You could have a fic where they discover all of this and are suddenly very grateful that El hasn't needed to use it, followed by a very quick change of drug. And, of course, by a fic where someone does use it on poor Peter - though I'm sure there's no one who'd be interested in reading that around here, lol! :D

Though having read all of this, I'm thinking it shouldn't be used for animals.
I wonder if animals have the same reaction. Because if so, yeah, I agree!

I haven't had White Collar writing feels in some time, but I may not be able to resist the urge to write this. :D
Wow. That's really interesting to know, and glad to know there are ways of using it safely, b/c otherwise, it sounds like "why would anyone use this ever?" in a lot of the info. Thanks so much for sharing your experience!
This is really useful - thank you so much for the info! :DDD Good to know for RL and writing purposes, both.

When I was in undergrad, a lot of idiots were doing ketamine (and calling it special K) for that precise reason.
Oooh, geez! My brain went in a totally different direction b/c when we moved my daughter and her cat to NC a couple summers ago, we talked to the vet's office about how to sedate the cat, Loki. And the vet tech we talked to told me that most things you can use on animals for things like this (at least with cats; dogs probably have more options) do pretty much what you're describing: it keeps them from reacting physically, but it doesn't quiet their brains. Basically, the poor kitty would be just as freaked out and terrified as ever, but they literally *cannot move* to react to what's scaring/stressing them. In the end, we used pheromone-based stuff and catnip oil spray to basically just keep Loki half-stoned during the time we were in the car ;-)

Now, that may not be at all helpful in dealing with werewolf!Peter, but geeez, that sounds awful for anyone, canine or human. :-/
Having found this out makes me think that it's really cruel to use it as a veterinary drug. It also makes me think of how I had a dog who was absolutely terrified of one veterinary place after we had her teeth cleaned there, but she never reacted that way to our previous vet, even though she had surgery done there. The second vet always seemed very nice and I never saw them mistreat any animals, so I used to wonder what had happened to make her so freaked out, but now I wonder if they did the teeth cleaning with ketamine or something like it. Poor dog. :(((
I agree; it sounds awful for animals, too!

And oh, that's even worse! I'm so sorry for your doggie! :-(
Well, that was fifteen years ago in a city where I no longer live, so it doesn't really matter now. My assumption at the time was that she'd found having her teeth cleaned so unpleasant that she had associated that profound unpleasantness with the entire place -- if humans can develop PTSD from a surgical experience, even if everything technically went right, perhaps dogs can too. She really, really hated going to the vet for the rest of the time she was alive (she was an old dog and only lived a couple of years beyond that) but I don't think anyone there was abusive or anything. I just always wondered about it. When she died, we'd gotten her stabilized at the emergency vet clinic and then took her to our regular vet, and as soon as we walked out of the room and left her alone, she crashed and died (we were even still in the building; she'd been doing okay in the car and then, bam). I hadn't realized *how* specific (and how strong) her vet-clinic reaction was to that particular vet, because she didn't react badly to the emergency place at all, but she just tanked as soon as we left her in the other place that she hated so much. That being said, I don't blame anyone who worked there for it. She just really, really, REALLY hated going to that vet clinic for reasons I never figured out.

Anyway, it was all a very long time ago and I've never had anything but nice experiences at the vet place where we take our pets now. :)
*desperately tries to think of things in order to bribe your Muse and you in writing something with this*