Avengers-Peggy in cafe

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A few comments on Agent Carter this week:

eeeeeeee I love this show SO HARD. It hits my buttons hard enough that I simply do not care about being analytical about it. Intellectually, I am sure there are ~reasons~ why I should not be won over this hard by the SSR guys, especially after last week, but the heart wants what it wants, and these new developments are totally hitting all of my "reluctant team" buttons and I basically love everybody in this bar show. All the banter with Peggy and Dugan was golden! ("Stop woo-hooing and come help!") And I loved the little glimpses of what I assume are proto-Black Widows, plus the super-creepy thing with Dotty handcuffing herself to her bed to sleep .... AUGH. D: (On the one hand, I really don't want comics!Natasha's backstory for MCU!Natasha -- I like the idea of her being younger, and I think she reads younger in general affect, as well as the different timeline meaning that if she is really as old as she is in the comics, she would have spent the vast majority of a very long life as an assassin, as opposed to being on Team Good Guy for a much bigger chunk of her life in the comics. But on the other hand, I like thinking that we just saw bb!Natasha meet Peggy Carter. And either way, I think we did get a glimpse of the sort of thing Natasha must have gone through as a child.)

Also, I think they called the Russian scientist guy Vanko? I had to look it up on Wikipedia to find out why that sounded so dratted familiar. Actually, see DW comments; I am completely wrong about who this is. NEVERMIND. >_>

In any case, only three more episodes to get to the bottom of things! Can all the SSR guys come and work for Peggy at SHIELD? I would be surprisingly okay with this. PLEASE DO NOT KILL ANYONE, SHOW. I WOULD BE SAD. Again with the "did not expect to be this won over" ... I spent a lot of this episode being terribly anxious that the Chief and/or Thompson was going to get killed. Just last week I wanted Thompson to fall down an elevator shaft! wtf.

I love to be surprised, and thus far this show has been surprising me at almost every turn, which is super fun for me. I am even kicking around the idea that Dotty might not end up being irredeemably evil herself. Most of the other characters haven't been. It would be fun if Dotty stays evil, but it would also be fun to see her do a heel face turn and ultimately end up on Team Good Guy.

This show is my stupid fluffy comics show and I love it. ♥

(Okay, I will say that one ongoing quibble is that every time the show has background characters who aren't white, as in this episode, it's a rather annoying reminder that it doesn't actually have to be as white, overall, as it is. I mean, it's kind of almost less insulting if they don't even bother dangling that tiny thread of "yes, we know there were people of different races in 1945, we're just not going to put them in the lead". Ngghh.)


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If it helps, CATWS established in the scene with computer!Zola that as far as HYDRA knew, MCU Natasha was born in 1984. We do not of course know if HYDRA (and SHIELD)'s information about her was entirely correct.
Yeah, that's mostly what I'm going by, the 1984 birth date. I know that there's absolutely no guarantee this is accurate -- as much as the Black Widow is the embodiment of history-rewriting, it would not be at all surprising if she turns out to be older. People in fandom often assume she has comics Black Widow's backstory, but I feel as if she frequently makes more sense as a younger character; she doesn't seem to have the comics Black Widow's depth of background and experience. Still, I think it would be neat if we've just seen her as a girl. :D
"I think they called the Russian scientist guy Vanko?"

If you mean the Russian scientist in this episode, his name was Ivchenko. Anton Vanko appeared in the pilot - he's already in the States and working at SI, he's the scientist Peggy and Jarvis take the bomb to who puts them on to the Vita-Rays/Roxxon connection.
Oops, thanks! Yeah, I thought they said Vanko and had forgotten we saw him already in the series. TOO MANY WEEKS, NOT ENOUGH BRAIN.
Well, they've packed such an amazing amount of detail into so few episodes anyone can be excused for forgetting one of them :-).
I KNEW LUCAS HAD IT IN HIM.

...Thompson. I mean Thompson. (I know the actor from One Tree Hill. Major shock, needless to say. Lucas is so sweet!!)

AND OMG DOOLEY. This is not the first time, he's listened to Peggy before, but STILL. DOOLEY.

And OMG the way Peggy just walked in to the office, decided to be awesome, and then was. SO PERFECT.

OMG tho I feel like Peggy would have loved to stay with the 107th, though. It feels like her working relationship with them is far better than hers with the SSR. And she looks like she loved it :3 :/

OMG Dottie cuffing herself to the bed. That was ridiculously heartbreaking. And it's not just because it's Bridget Regan, who is my new true love.

I said OMG waaaay too many times.
haha, I didn't know he had it in him, which is why this episode was such a delightful surprise! I was fully expecting Thompson to remain a jerk to the last, even though they seem to be humanizing Dooley quite a bit, and I think if you'd asked me last week if I'd wanted a heel face turn for Thompson, I would've been all HAHAHA NO -- but now that it's happened, I find that I like it. :D

And yes. I spent a big chunk of this episode being absolutely sure that we kept cutting back to Dooley because he was going to die, and not wanting it to happen (WHEN DID I GET SO ATTACHED TO THESE STUPID JERKS, AARGH). And Peggy was just THE BEST ... I agree with you about having a better working relationship with the 107th (and those scenes were such a contrast to how hard she's struggling at the SSR, her easy camaraderie with the Commandos) but I also feel like she's serious when she says she wants to get off the front lines, or out of the field or however she phrased it. She's put in her time and she wants to be on the other end of things now, and that's fair. I love that they extended her the offer, though. Her boys. ♥

Dottie cuffing herself to the bed was so awful and wonderful. I love how nobody on this show is strictly black or white, totally good or totally bad. Peggy, Jarvis, and Stark are flawed and human; the SSR guys have their good side.

Only three more episodes, augh!
THREE MORE EPISODES WHAT ROCK HAVE I BEEN LIVING UNDER.

Ugh, this show had better come back for another season, I love it so damn much .

I agree with everything. Though even if she wants to be away from the front lines - and she was very sure that she wanted to be, you can see that in the way she spoke - she really did seem like she enjoyed being there in a way that she may never be able to enjoy working back at the office.

One thing I really loved is how, when she does have the opportunity, she doesn't override Thompson's authority. After all the shit she's been through. I know I wouldn't have been that nice.

I love that too! It makes the show more interesting really. I know I sympathized with Dottie in this episode, but in the next episode or something she'll hurt one of the good guys and it'll be all OMG WHO DID I SYMPATHIZE WITH. That's always fun. In a very, very weird way.
eeeeeeee I love this show SO HARD.

Mee toooo!

I haven't had a chance to watch this weeks shows (either AC or SPN), but I'm sooo looking forward to it :D I love Peggy to bits <3
I finally got a chance to watch it! It was SO GOOD to see Peggy be surrounded by people who treat her right. I mean, I know that the SSR guys mostly warmed up to her because they saw her competence, but I almost feel like they were embarrassed about their behaviour after seeing how the other team treated Peggy. IDK, headcanon or whatever *g*

I was really happy that the SSR guys learned from this and invited Peggy to come along. That was such a pivotal moment because you know it was the first time. And you know that she'd done exactly what she told Jarvis she would, she made them respect her! That part of her personality hits every one of my buttons. I loved it :D

(On a side note, poor Jarvis, he's really screwed by his loyalties... I wonder if the business card isn't a trap.)
It was SO GOOD to see Peggy be surrounded by people who treat her right. I mean, I know that the SSR guys mostly warmed up to her because they saw her competence, but I almost feel like they were embarrassed about their behaviour after seeing how the other team treated Peggy. IDK, headcanon or whatever *g*

Oh yes, totally agree with this. :D The competence was definitely a big part of it, but I think it was also an "... oh!" moment for them seeing the way that her old war buddies related to her, and seeing these guys who are basically legends themselves (the Howling Commandos) taking her orders and deferring to her in the field. It wasn't the only factor, but I think it helped make it hit home for them that she wasn't just the coffee girl, like she's been saying all along. :D

And yeah re: your other point too. :D I think there have been a few times when Peggy's defiance has rubbed a little the wrong way with me, or struck the wrong note, or something -- like when she rejected Sousa's attempt to back her up in the pilot. Sometimes I think it goes beyond standing up for herself and straight into "asshole". But this, I thought, was note-perfect. She knows she can do it, she knows exactly the string to pull (the Howling Commandos), she doesn't back down and she pulls that string and she gets what she was after. Yeah. :D
I almost feel like they were embarrassed about their behaviour after seeing how the other team treated Peggy
Absolutely! They have tremendous respect, even awe, for the 107th, and when they see how these heroes treat their "coffee girl," they should be mortified!
Death by random mugging ... HAHAHAHA. Well, as noted, last week I was at "elevator shaft". I am really amazed at how thoroughly he's managed to turn around my feelings for him. I think one of the things that made a big difference for me is that he was willing to take her orders/advice in the field. I am still withholding final judgment based on how he acts over the next couple of weeks, though.

In a way I think Thompson might end up being actually more of a reliable Peggy supporter than Dooley IF he can get his head screwed on straight, because I agree with you about Dooley being oriented towards the business end of things -- which means he's more likely than most of his contemporaries to support her when she's useful, but I agree with you that there's a very real danger that he'll shelve her when she's not. Whereas Thompson is more feelings-driven, which is what's been making him a TOTAL DICK so far, but also means that ... I think if he did eventually end up on her side, he'd be pretty solidly on her side. Though who knows where the show is actually headed. I had no idea that I would ever want anything for Thompson other than a convenient elevator shaft, so I continue to be pleasantly surprised. :D

And the Black Widow program! YES! I'm really excited about getting that glimpse of Natasha backstory. I really don't think the girl who stabbed Dugan was Natasha either, though it's kind of fun to think so, but it's reasonable to assume that her childhood was similar to that of the girls we saw here. And yeah, I think it was well done and not at all over the top. (I mean, beyond the whole "Russians are training child assassins" thing, but that's from the comics, so ...)
[In a way I think Thompson might end up being actually more of a reliable Peggy supporter than Dooley IF he can get his head screwed on straight]

I just hope it would be not because he has a crush, but because he truly believes it's the right thing to do. Because I don't trust Dooley at all because he is the reason for the culture in which Peggy l exists in their office (if he set a different example, his men would follow).

I'm kind of worried about how Sousa is gonna react because he will inevitably put the 2 and 2 together.
I just hope it would be not because he has a crush, but because he truly believes it's the right thing to do.

Yeah, ditto, though I also think that Dooley's "crush" comment was basically just giving him hell. But I kinda feel like, if Thompson does come around to her side, he's going to be pretty solidly there, because it's been such a long hard road and required a lot of soul-searching on his part. At least that's my thought, though things could still turn out differently.

(I never would've imagined having Thompson in her corner would've been a possibility even as recently as last week ...)

And yeah ... Sousa, don't jump to conclusions! In a way the whole Stark situation has gotten even more tangled and painful, because now she actually has people she likes and feels responsibility to on both sides. On the other hand, I like that Dooley seems to be genuinely interested in finding out the truth and not in simply deciding on Howard's guilt and bringing him in.
I don't have anything concrete to say about this show, except ahhhhhhhhhhh. It's so good! I keep being surprised at how good it is!

(Oh, and conveniently, I've been selected to be a Nielsen household starting next week. There's a section towards the end of the booklet you fill out where you can talk about what you think of TV; I'm going to spend at least half the space talking about how awesome Agent Carter is. XD)
Oh hooray, perfect timing! :D Sadly we got tapped as a Nielsen household last fall, when we were literally watching NO TV. Naturally, now that there is a show I want to push, there is not a Nielsen booklet in sight. XD
This show is so much fun! And yeah, as soon as we saw the opening I was like, is that in Russia? Because it so seemed like Black Widow's origin. Somewhere else on my flist confirmed that at least in some comics continuity Natasha was trained in the "Red Room" which is apparently what that place was? (Though I confess, I actually rather like MCU Natasha being older than she looks and to me she reads that way - though if she was trained from childhood she still could've been an assassin for almost two decades and still be about her age. But especially with Clint she comes across as older to me. Less so with Steve, but then Steve in some ways might be as old as she is, so...?)

Anyway, yes, am totally enjoying the heck out of it, hope they might get a second season...! (I have no idea if that's in the works at all, I'm just hoping!)
Yeah, in the comics Natasha would actually be almost the right age to have been that girl (actually I think she's a wee bit older; she was born in the late '20s, I think?) and she was canonically trained/brainwashed from childhood, as it seems these girls are. They never actually explain in the comics what the "Red Room" is, I don't think, or have any actual visuals for what it looks like beyond a few rather generic training scenes. Which leaves things wide open for the movie writers, if they want to go there ...

And oh man, I hope they get a second season. I was totally not expecting to love this show as much as I do. :D
I was actually glad to see the non-white characters; I can see where you'd find it annoying. I've been waiting, and I feel like they finally came through. Kind of—I'm afraid we won't see them again in this mini-series. I'd still rather have a few than none, and they didn't kill them off (which is a problem I see all over the place—introduce non-white people because you need to kill someone, and I spent the whole time in Russia expecting to lose one or two of those characters). I would very much like to see people of color elsewhere on the show, though. As someone pointed out somewhere else, FDR signed an Executive Order 8802 in mid-1941 integrating DOD and related departments; the SSR, like the military, should be integrated. And wouldn't it be nice to have some women of color living in the Griffiths?

I'm so with you on Thompson! I was shocked at myself. I felt so bad when he finally told Peggy what really happened! And she handled it right: she didn't try to offer him consolation, really, and she certainly didn't tell him that it wasn't his fault. She listened, and he knows she won't repeat it.

I felt so bad for the little Black Widows! We knew Dottie was a psychopath from seeing her kill that guy because she wanted that gun, but now I'm hoping that she can get some help. I still don't understand whose side she's on, or whether she's gone rogue; I'm not sure if I'm missing something, or if it will just make sense in time.

Peggy marching right in and cracking the code while everyone else just yaks! Go Peggy! Peggy getting the 107th while Thompson and Dooley are still arguing! I loved the soldiers deferring to her—and Peggy said that Thompson had lead, but Thompson at least had enough sense to defer to her himself.

I'm feeling bad for Jarvis, though I think Peggy is totally right: he should have told her.

And I love Peggy more than ever, and I want more of this show than I'm ever going to get. (I'm afraid to look at fanfic now because the show is doing so very well with her that I think I might only be disappointed—but I'll probably turn to it when I go into withdrawal. :-) )
I was actually glad to see the non-white characters; I can see where you'd find it annoying. I've been waiting, and I feel like they finally came through. Kind of—I'm afraid we won't see them again in this mini-series. I'd still rather have a few than none, and they didn't kill them off (which is a problem I see all over the place—introduce non-white people because you need to kill someone, and I spent the whole time in Russia expecting to lose one or two of those characters).

True! :D It is nice to at least see them.

(Also, I think there actually was a black lady at the Griffiths in the background of one scene? I can't remember when, though.)

It's a relief that it's not just me, regarding Thompson. From what I've seen of episode reactions, it seems most people aren't so willing to forgive him, and I totally get that (I am rather WTF at myself over it, too) but, I dunno, I just really like that this show is giving us a lot of character nuance.

And yeah, I agree on Jarvis - I don't think Peggy is wrong to shut him out, but he's really at loose ends now, poor guy.

I just want SO MUCH MORE of this show, gah. I haven't been reading fanfic for it, either, though I'll probably go looking to ease the craving when it's over.
I must correct myself: Brilliant Husband says Lee (Li?) died, and he is usually correct in such matters.

I have been trying to find out if there might historically have been African American women at a woman's residential hotel in NY in 1946, but I think that might require more time than I can put in right now. I haven't been able to find out either way.

I'm seeing other people not forgiving of Thompson either, but it's reassuring that we agree, at least!

Oh, Jarvis! Partly, I just want more Jarvis. I really want more Jarvis with Peggy: they've had some great scenes together.

I started Googling for information on whether Agent Carter will return about Episode 3, I think. I'm getting a very mixed picture; it must be too soon to call. Fingers crossed!
So glad I waited until watching the first Captain America movie! And also glad that I'd watched it not long before the episode, so I knew who the 107th were and could enjoy their continued adventures!

Peggy was totally and utterly AWESOME! And I love that the 107th deferred to her, and that the SSR guys did in the end. Poor Thompson, I really didn't like him at all, but now I kinda feel sorry for the guy. No elevator shaft for him, after all! :D

I'm very intrigued about where this is all going. And please, please, please let there be more seasons!

(Also, finally noticed that Tony's computer/voice in the Iron Man suit is also called Jarvis, hee!!)

Edited at 2015-02-11 04:30 pm (UTC)