Flash-Cisco

This week's Flash and Legends of Tomorrow

Flash 3x11:

Okay, that episode was ALMOST everything I wanted. Not quite because I was really hoping for a peek at Earth-19 and/or some HR flashbacks. And we didn't get that. But otherwise it was so much fun! Friendship feels! Cisco being the Big Damn Hero! Iris being one scary reporter-lady with a possible death wish. I liked both the A and the (completely ridiculous) B plots this week! (omg though, seriously, Barry and Joe trying to stop Iris from doing dangerous things when they have the world's most dangerous jobs themselves -- HYPOCRITE MUCH, GUYS?? At least the whole point was that they were wrong and Iris has every right to do reporter-ish badassery and be fulfilled in her career and stuff.)

I adored Gypsy* and I am TOTALLY on board with her and Cisco as a ship; it's got all the aspects I like about Cisco/Golden Glider. Loved the interdimensional fight sequence. Ahaha, poor CatCo people. I want to know what the volcano planet was!

*I feel weird about calling her that, though. I know it's what she's called in the comics, but I wish they'd given her a first name in the episode or something else to call her canonically.

HR is slowly but steadily growing on me. I really liked him this week; it was a relief to FINALLY get something other than surface emotions from him, some indication of what goes on in his head. I've kinda gone back and forth on whether he hides his thoughts and feelings like Harry does, except his defense is mild-mannered niceness instead of aggressive sarcasm, or whether he just really is that shallow -- and I STILL CAN'T TELL, but at least this episode we got some indications that he really does care about the team and worry about their welfare, and furthermore that he's not as obtuse as he seems and he really does pay attention to what's going on around him ("You don't even like me ...").

The whole thing with Cisco basically relating emotionally to all the Harrison Wellses as one person was fascinating -- I mean, I know he knows they aren't, but I really got the impression this episode that on an emotional level, he can't really sort them out, and god no wonder everything that happened with Eobard messed him up so bad. For him, it was a lot like having an abusive parent (who literally tried to kill him), who then CAME BACK and yet wasn't actually the same person ... anyway, this episode I felt like he's starting to come to terms with the good memories he has of Eobard-Wells as his mentor and let go of the awful stuff, which was something he really couldn't do yet in season two.

So. This episode. FEELS.

ETA: I almost forgot how much fun Julian was in this episode! He's totally going to die, I can feel it. But he's such a delightfully snarky, well-intentioned pain-in-the-ass.




Legends of Tomorrow 2x10:

AHAHAHA, this show is such amazing crack and I love it. I feel like the show's been really "on" since it came back from hiatus; I've loved both the new episodes.

I was not expecting to enjoy the Legion of Doom as much as I do. They'll probably be much less fun now that they've worked out their interpersonal problems, but ... this episode, though. Snarky, bickering bad guys are the best.

"Plus we have an additional advantage over [team Legend]."
"Enlighten me."
"They're idiots."

I don't think all the therapy in the world is going to be enough for Rip after this.

Black Flash is utterly terrifying. Holy crap that was creepy. This, and their discoveries about Eobard and the spear, also gave me some thoughts on where Flash might be going this season, which follow in the third section.

I really love everything about Lily: the actress, her whole geeky-schoolgirl vibe, the works. She's adorable! I wish she'd stick around as a permanent team member; it makes me think the team really needs a woman on the science/tech-geek side as well as the fighting side. They like to shake up the team roster every season, so for next season I'm hoping for a lady scientist somewhere in the cast.

So basically, loved this episode, was thoroughly entertained, but I don't have that much to say about it.




Future speculation on Flash (no actual future spoilers) based on events on LoT:

So now we know Eobard wants to undo Eddie's death (or so we assume) and restore himself to the timeline. Also, Black Flash is around *shudder*, who is the Death of speedsters in the comics.

Having Black Flash show up elsewhere in the Arrowverse this season makes me think he'll probably turn up on Flash as well, which in turn makes me think that Savitar's prophesy about someone dying is going to refer to one of the speedsters. I don't think they are actually gonna kill anyone, at least not permanently, but I am now registering my speculation that unless the death is Wally (I REALLY HOPE NOT), Barry is going to (apparently) bite it at the end of the season.

As for Eobard ... I'm thinking that Eddie's death might actually get undone, at least for awhile. Iris and Barry are happy and living together -- what better way to screw that up than to have Eddie show back up? Especially if Barry is temporarily dead? Barry "dies" at the end of the season, Eddie turns out to be alive, Iris and Eddie get close by the time 4x01 happens and then Barry comes back ... okay, it's a vast amount of speculation, but it is a plausible thing this show might do.

If Eobard uses the spear to undo Eddie's death and it sticks, as opposed to Team Legend "fixing" it, this might also give us Eowells as the Big Bad in season four. OH GOD. (I'm not sure how I feel about that, honestly, but I do think that having a malevolent Wells around at the same time as at least one friendly one leads to all kinds of potential for creepy identity shenanigans.)

I guess it is also possible that Barry gets rid of Eobard at the end of season three by throwing him into the Speed Force and he becomes Savitar. In which case, good plan, Barry!

No real thoughts on where LoT is going, though I hope Rip made a backup of the backup, and with the spear in play, they now have EVEN MORE ways to bring Snart back.


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" undo Eddie's death"

YES! This is all I want from timey-whimey stuff!
I don't know if this is something that's going to happen, but the way things are going at this point, it's entirely possible and there are a number of clues pointing at it as something that could happen. :D

(Poor Eddie. He deserved better. ;__;)
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Tringasolitaria here (if I keep lurking like this I might as well just sign up for a new acct - lol).

I have absolutely loved the last couple of episodes. Especially last night's. When I heard it was going to be an episode from the villains' perspective I kind of groaned, but I loved the whole thing. I wouldn't have believed it, especially where Merlyn is concerned, because...well, no spoilers, but he was not my favorite character on Arrow.

I don't know that I would want a steady diet of it - I love our team too much for that. But it was fun. And I didn't see the twist at the end coming, with Eobard messing with Rip's memories. That'll be fun to see how it plays out.

I agree about Lily - I'm crossing my fingers that they add her as a regular next season.
When I heard it was going to be an episode from the villains' perspective I kind of groaned, but I loved the whole thing.

RIGHT??? I didn't actually know much about it going into it, but I would never have believed I'd love an episode that was mainly villain POV this much. They were hilarious, and after all the (violent) hijinks, by the time it got to the actual serious part at the end, with the bank vault and Eobard being hunted, I was actually rooting for them not to die. WHAT EVEN.

Agreed that I wouldn't want every episode to be like this. I enjoyed this one hugely, but at the end of the day I want characters I actually like and can wholeheartedly support. But yeah, this was great, and I didn't see the twist with Rip's memories coming, either! I'm really looking forward to finding out where this goes.
I completely agree with your comments on Cisco and how he has struggled/struggles to handle the emotions of his various relationships with Harrison Wells. I miss Earth-2 Harry so much and HR is growing on me, yet I still feel so drawn to Eobard/Wells, and I can imagine that Cisco does as well. The man shaped so much of Cisco's life and even though he was evil, he was so perceptive.

Likewise, it's hard/interesting seeing 'Eobard' in Legends, as he's clearly the villian, but we do like, still, kinda like him (As Harrison Wells). So complex, so cool.
Yeah, I like seeing Cisco coming to terms with his conflicted feelings on Eobard/S1 Harrison. For Cisco I think it's even more complicated than it is for Barry -- Barry also had to deal with the switch from "team mentor" to enemy, but Barry has a LOT more reasons to hate him and way less investment in a personal relationship with him (and it STILL kinda messed him up). But Cisco had YEARS of knowing him as Harrison, being mentored by him, basically accepted him as family, and then there was the very sudden betrayal and his alternate-timeline death at Eobard's hands. All those feelings are still there, and it's nice to see that he's managing to come to terms with the emotions he had for Eobard-Wells, accept the good parts of the relationship and let go of the bad.

And awww, man, I am starting to like HR, but I miss Harry SO MUCH. I do hope we get to see yet another version of Wells next season, though! It's so much fun seeing him doing different things with the character.

Eobard on Legends is really fascinating. I kinda hope he turns up on Flash again before the end of the season, if only because it would throw everyone for a loop so badly ...