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Everything is Carter

... in my brain right now.

I posted a bit of meta over on Tumblr comparing two similar-yet-different scenes in 1x05 and 2x03, which I'm not reposting here because there are images and I'm lazy. However, if you have comments, feel free to make them here if you like, since tumblr is ... tumblr.

I also ran across a neat piece of tumblr meta: costuming choices in Agent Carter 2x03 (includes links for earlier posts in the series, which are also well worth reading). It's really thoughtful and interesting! I think a couple of the OP's conclusions might be reaching a bit, but there is also a lot of nuance in the costume color choices that are too consistent not to be significant, that I never noticed. So that's fun.

I'm crossing my fingers so hard that this season doesn't end up doing anything that's going to throw me for a loop in a bad kind of way. Because it might? And I can even think of some really specific, plausible things it might do that would throw me out just that little extra bit. Killing any of the main characters, say. But right now, as weird as it feels to say this so early into the season, I really do feel, as I did last season, that this is my favorite show ever ... and, oddly, without containing a bunch of the narrative tropes that I go for. Like, say, White Collar, or the Winter Soldier movie, are the sort of thing that, while they may have surprised me at the time, are blindingly obvious in retrospect. In various subsets, they've got the Platonic ideals of All My Things. Whereas Agent Carter kind of ... doesn't, in any particularly obvious way, and yet I'm still getting that same "written FOR ME" feeling from it this season as I did last season. It's not really the pieces; it's the package.

(If this were a show that were out in its entirety, rather than a new show, I think there actually are a couple of things I'd spoil myself for. Sadly that is not an option, so I must remain in suspense. :D)

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I've been noticing the costuming too, specifically that Peggy's starting to depart from the red & blue nods to Steve, which implies that she's healing and moving on (which... makes me both sad and happy). But I hadn't really thought about how the colors in everyone's wardrobes make possible deeper symbolic connections. Very interesting.

I'm so torn with Thompson. I know the typical fandom knee-jerk response over at tumblr is zomg we must hate him!!!!!, but I'm actually enjoying the nuance with which Chad Michael Murray is playing him. Makes it really hard to know how he'll come down in the end, for Peggy & the "good guys" or with HYDRA. His Achilles is definitely a need for power and ladder climbing, and that does seem to be pointing him toward becoming part of the hidden HYDRA element in the SSR, but then again, I have this thought that if *I* thought of that, it's too obvious and clumsy and hopefully there's some twist coming. At this juncture, I could go either way with him, as an incipient villain or as a slowly-emerging hero/love interest (and I kinda dig the 'hate each other then fall in love' trope, but I'm trying to set that aside in favor of just going with wherever this leads. I'm not much of a shipper, what can I say).

I continue to love Sousa. His muttered, "The SSR is science after all," (or words to that effect) when everyone was shocked he understood something about all the physics was one of my favorite moments in the episode. I love tiny little character reveal lines like those.

I'm really enjoying this season, early on as it is.
I know the typical fandom knee-jerk response over at tumblr is zomg we must hate him!!!!!, but

The community on Tumblr is fairly predictable in dictating what should and shouldn't be liked. *sigh*
But like you, I like watching him. Not at the expense of the other people in the show, but in addition to them, because he makes their heroic choices matter even more. I really enjoy the conflicted, anti-hero types.

I love characters being smart, and Sousa being smart hit all of my buttons!
The community on Tumblr is fairly predictable in dictating what should and shouldn't be liked. *sigh*

Ah, so it's not just me! *sighing with you* I think a large part of it is because the majority of tumblr posters are teenagers, and GroupThink is paramount among that age set.

I like watching him. Not at the expense of the other people in the show, but in addition to them, because he makes their heroic choices matter even more.

That echoes my own feelings about him completely. It remains to be seen where he'll ultimately land, but in the meantime he acts as a good shadow against the light of the heroes. Stories need his type of character.

I love characters being smart, and Sousa being smart hit all of my buttons!

Sousa is just so very Sousa... and I love him for it. :)

Yeah, I find Thompson fascinating -- I admit I have a huge soft streak for the guy that he probably doesn't deserve, but I also think he's a complex character and it's a lot of fun that I really don't know which side of the good guy/bad guy line he'll fall on. Tumblr of course is being its usual black-and-white, no-shades-of-gray self about it; it's either "you're terrible for liking this!" or "precious woob can do no wrong!" (admittedly not very many of those for Thompson, but they do exist). SIGH. I just want to enjoy my complicated quasi-ally, quasi-baddie in peace, darn it, tumblr. XD

that does seem to be pointing him toward becoming part of the hidden HYDRA element in the SSR

... AUGH. You know, of all the various possibilities that I'd tossed around in my head, for some reason I had never actually thought of this one -- I guess I was thinking that he would either be on Team Good Guy, Team Bad Guy, or dead by the season's end, but the thought hadn't crossed my mind that he might be on Team Baddie and no one would know it. AUGH.

I'd also managed to forget what's going to happen to SHIELD eventually, and now it's so sad to think about it, when we're probably going to be watching Peggy set it up and she's going to be so happy and idealistic, and ... nooooo. :(

I continue to love Sousa. His muttered, "The SSR is science after all," (or words to that effect) when everyone was shocked he understood something about all the physics was one of my favorite moments in the episode.

Heeeeee, Sousa is so awesome. :D Secret smarts are such a weakness of mine. I love the idea that he's been reading science books and making a special effort to learn about it since that's what he's doing for a living now, but maybe he just had a nerd streak to begin with.

Can't wait for next Tuesday!
... AUGH. You know, of all the various possibilities that I'd tossed around in my head, for some reason I had never actually thought of this one -- I guess I was thinking that he would either be on Team Good Guy, Team Bad Guy, or dead by the season's end, but the thought hadn't crossed my mind that he might be on Team Baddie and no one would know it. AUGH.

I'd also managed to forget what's going to happen to SHIELD eventually, and now it's so sad to think about it, when we're probably going to be watching Peggy set it up and she's going to be so happy and idealistic, and ... nooooo. :(


It's so hard to think about what's coming, isn't it?? *sigh* But admittedly, from a storytelling standpoint, it will be fascinating to watch in real time. That's a major part of the appeal of the show for me, filling in the gaps and revealing in detail what we learned in CA:TWS. So far, Agent Carter feels more connected to the MCU than Agents of Shield or even Daredevil (I've not watched Jessica Jones so can't comment about that one). AoS and Daredevil have moments here and there, and of course AoS had a strong CA:TWS arc when that movie released, but Agent Carter feels like the writers are connecting the show to the larger MCU with more intent, maybe because it's a more compressed show as far as number of episodes.
all i noticed about costumes was that it was slightly strange that peggy was wearing green while hiding out in the vault at the beginning of the season for some reason, and then my brain switched off XD

i agree with your meta.
ha! I definitely hadn't looked at it in that much detail. I love it when people point things out I hadn't noticed. :D
[n 2x03, though, Jack’s not extending an invitation; he’s making a request. The power dynamic has flipped almost completely. He’s not the popular jock magnanimously inviting the geek along. He’s lonely and conflicted and doubting himself. He really likes Sousa, and wants Sousa to like him. He wants him to say yes. He’s the one who wants to be part of the clique this time.]

Yes, yes, yes! :D I loved your post, I agree with it completely. I think they're doing this on purpose too, and I just -hope- it doesn't end up with Jack on the darkside or dead, just like you. I can easily see it happen, but I hope it doesn't. (Though I'll be honest, I don't understand how there are people who think he's the one Peggy will eventually marry...I mean, maybe after the character growth in, say, season 11 :P ...Also shipping Peggy/Sousa might have something to do with that *ahem*)

[But I think he genuinely likes both of them. ]

I do too! I think he's being honest in that he wants to be the "head of a popular club of The Good Guys". I just think that from his place of privildge he's never had to give any thought to what that might mean, to the kind of sacrifices that might be required from him to BE one of the people that Peggy and Sousa like. I think that some serious self-examination is in order for him to realize that it's not enough to look the part on the outside. I think that the show is being pretty unsubtle about pointing this out, by having the FBI guy call him "a pretty face". I think that he is a kind of foil for Peggy, in that until very recently he hasn't had to question his place or reach within himself to find his inner worth...and it's hard. And it's supposed to be hard.

I guess my main hope is that the real heroes do continue to give him a hard time until he earns their respect. And that he will, by not going darkside and doing heroic things. And then we can have a real trio of them, organizing SHIELD with Peggy at the helm, which I would love! Hee!

I too noticed the unusual pattern for Peggy in her purple and green, and wondered what it meant. I think it'll be interesting to see in retrospect, but right now I'm not seeing whatever pattern the author of that costuming post is seeing ...yet.

(Though I'll be honest, I don't understand how there are people who think he's the one Peggy will eventually marry...I mean, maybe after the character growth in, say, season 11 :P ...Also shipping Peggy/Sousa might have something to do with that *ahem*)

haha. Yes. I do ship it (though I don't really ship Peggy/Jack by themselves so much as the threesome, which is kind of unusual for me) but I don't really see it being a possibility on the show, not as things stand. (Especially not as things stand this season; it seems that Jack and Peggy have slid from having a cautious truce shading into tentative friendship towards the end of the previous season, to outright dislike this season, at least on her part.)

Who knows, though? Before 1x05, my main response to Jack was wanting to push him down an elevator shaft, and now he's one of my favorites, albeit my troublesome problem-child favorite, or whatever. XD So maybe things will have changed a lot by the end of the season. ... or maybe he'll be full-on evil. I JUST DON'T KNOW.

I think he's being honest in that he wants to be the "head of a popular club of The Good Guys". I just think that from his place of privildge he's never had to give any thought to what that might mean, to the kind of sacrifices that might be required from him to BE one of the people that Peggy and Sousa like.

Agreed! Especially about the "head of a popular club of The Good Guys" -- I think that's a really great way to put it, and that's exactly how he's always seen himself ... or, I should say, what he aspires to be. I really do think he wants to do good in the world, but even more than that, he sees himself as the guy sweeping in at the head of the group of Team Good Guy, saving the day, kissing the damsel, and riding out on a white steed. He wants to be heroic AND liked AND popular, and I don't think he's realized yet that it may be necessary to choose between those -- that having one might mean having to give up the others. Just like you said ... he wants Peggy and Sousa to like him, but hasn't yet realized that he's going to have to make sacrifices -- he's going to have to genuinely change -- in order to be a person that they will like.

But yes, if he does end up on Team Good Guy, which I am very much hoping for, I really hope it isn't easy, and that he has to work for it.

Ooh, for more on the purple and green in particular, check out this other costume meta post that makes a really interesting point about Peggy's mixed purple-and-green ensemble!

Edited at 2016-01-30 07:41 am (UTC)
Yes to everything you said!

I almost don't see Jack going truly evil. I think I can maybe see him doing horrible things and feeling genuinely bad about them, but not going outright "I don't care" type evil. I'm more worried about him dying heroically to be honest. I think he, Peggy and Sousa have such a wonder chemistry together that I hope he survives as a good guy.

Just read the color meta...love it! Agreed completely. I think especially the "green over her heart" is correct, and cap's colors being her "Crusader" mode.

Edited at 2016-01-30 05:01 pm (UTC)
I don't get excited about any other show coming on the way I do for Agent Carter. <3
**not yet reading all the other comments, b/c I'm just starting to watch the first episode of the season** (Hubby and I were doing a HUGE de-cluttering project last week, and I'm behind in several shows :-P)

But YESS!!!! I totally agree with you. This is just such a lovely show, and I adore the characterizations (even the ones I'm not totally bonkers about, as far as "she's evil" or whatever -- they're still totally well done). Like you said, it'd be easy to "want" to be spoiled about some of it, so I think I'm actually kinda of weirdly a bit glad we don't have that option. I'm going to join you in crossing our fingers and hoping things stay as enjoyable as they are for now!!
I love this show! I hope you and your hubby enjoy the new season -- I'm really loving it so far. :D
Oh, I'm loving it, completely! Hubby isn't paying a lot of attention to it (yet, at least), but I adore the whole thing. And I'm loving that it's tying in so well already with what's been going on in SHIELD, and other MCU things, too. Absolutely wonderful!! (I've still gotta watch ep. 3, but I've made progress ;-))
And YES! I'm right there with several of you about Jack. He's fascinating to watch, b/c I think he *is* smart, in his own way (so to speak), and I think he knows that things aren't quite adding up with what's been going on/what he's going along with, but he's not yet ready to make a stand about it, either. He's too concerned with how things might play out for him "politically" -- in relation to his career or whatever -- to make that move, but I think *maybe* he'll take a stand when he needs to?? Of course, like y'all also said, I can also see him somehow getting sucked into the bad side and becoming part of Hydra eventually, too, but... I don't want him to. I love the interplay between the three of them, and Sousa and Peggy not quite being willing to do what Jack says, etc.,.... but not *quite* ready to get him kicked off the team, either.

I'm just enjoying all of it. I love Peggy's costumes -- they're so gorgeous on her, and I just love how well they've done with tying everything so beautifully to the time period, etc.

And also, totally random thing to comment on, but I loved watching Peggy kick Rachel's er... Dottie's ass in the bank vault ;)
Oh yay, I'm so glad you're enjoying it so far! :D Yeah, I'm absolutely loving this season -- it's so pretty (Peggy's wardrobe, omg), and the writing is so good, and I'm in so much suspense about where the storylines are going. Jack's storyline especially, because with the others at least I think I have some idea of how they'll probably work out (I mean, we all know Peggy and Jarvis aren't going to die, for example, and they'll find some way to take down the club of Evil Old Dudes) but Jack's story arc is just SUCH a giant question mark -- I am dreading the thought that he might turn evil, or end up getting killed. I really do love the way the three of them play off each other SO much. But the tension is interesting, at least!

Basically it's SO great and I'm so glad we got a season two. :D (I hope I'm still saying that a few episodes from now ...)
I totally agree: Jack is just such a question mark. And I could totally see him decide to "take a stand" in a way that ends up getting him killed, too, and I SOOOOOOOooooo don't want that to happen!!

So far, I'm willing I keep believing that they're not going to destroy our faith. But if they do, I may find someone at Marvel to give a swift kick in the ass, minimum :-P