Star Wars

STAR WAAAAARS

Aside from the things in the previous post, everything else is Star Wars right now. I've fallen back into it hard.

The interesting thing is that I'm not really feeling like writing fanfic about it. I did spend some time plotting out an enormous post-movie epic, and then realized I'm not entirely sure if I want to write it. I've thought about some small missing scenes (for the new movie as well as the previous movies) but I'm not sure if I want to write those either. I don't really feel that way about it, even though in other ways I am doing that same kind of obsession thing I typically do with things I end up writing fanfic about. And I wouldn't be surprised if I end up writing a few small things ...

But right now I'm just having epic amounts of feelings about it, most of which I want to translate into other fiction. Like ... it's not so much I want to write about these specific characters, even though I am absolutely loving these characters right now -- the old and new ones both; it's more that I want to take all the things I'm feeling right now, and make original fic that makes me feel the same way, basically. I want to take the shiniest things from the movie, the most intense feelings and the tropes that slay me in the best possible ways, and write my own versions. Which is how I typically used to relate to things when I was a teenager, but I fell away from that once I started writing fanfic, and began to compartmentalize things a bit more. I definitely still do the "I want to write my own version of this" thing, but usually not for things that I'm having massive fandom feelings about; at some point it became, I'll either write about this specific thing, or I'll write something totally different. I think it's interesting that as I've fallen back into one of my old teenage fandoms, I've also fallen into what used to be my old style of loving things like this.

... I think the real issue is that most of what I'd want to write about the new movie involves fixing things that, narratively, don't need to be fixed, or reworking stuff backstage when I'd really rather leave it alone. I'm not sure if I'm explaining this very well, but I guess the thing is, I'm narratively satisfied enough with the new movie that I don't really want to do much to it. Everything that didn't work about it, for me, are things that are probably not fixable without writing a whole new movie and/or ignoring large chunks of actual canon, and really I just want to enjoy the movie as it is, and then go out and work on epic space opera for a while. SPACE OPERA WITH FEELS.

Incidentally, I bought the prequel novel for the new movie and it's really great! Much better than typical movie tie-ins; more on the level of good fanfic. (Which is a compliment, coming from me.) It has short novellas with each of the three members of the new main trio in the movie, and I really enjoyed them.

One other thing I wanted to say about the new movie, which I said in a comment somewhere else, is that in a lot of ways, the new movie seems to have ... the best way I can put it is that it redeemed the original trilogy for me, or maybe just made it possible for me to enjoy it wholeheartedly and uncritically again, in a way I'm not quite sure I'd be able to (anymore) if we didn't have a new movie that is all about a female Luke and is full of nonwhite, international actors. I don't even feel that put off by the lack of those things in the original trilogy -- it is what it is -- but I think the new movie made me feel really good about the whole franchise, and the direction it's moving in. I love the old movies and I love the new movie, and the franchise as a whole is something that I feel very happy to be a fan of right now.

(Okay, I cannot lie: it literally brings tears of happiness to my eyes sometimes when I think about the fact that the leading protagonist in the current trilogy is cut from the cloth of my adolescent self-insert fantasies. I feel included in the new movies, and from the way I've seen fandom reacting to Rey, and to Finn and Poe, a lot of other people feel included as well, where the original movies didn't do that. I still love the original movies just as much, but the new movie has made me fall in warm fuzzy love with the whole franchise, and feel like it's something I can really say I'm a fan of, as opposed to merely enjoying the movies but not really feeling fannish about it ... if that is a meaningful distinction.)

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Oh, the prequel is by Greg Rucka! He's very good.

I managed to see the movie 100% unspoiled - I did not even know that it had a female lead - and that was a complete delight to me, as was Finn. I have gotten so used to movies right now being less progressive/diverse than when I was a kid, which is pretty appalling considering how white and male they were then. It never occurred to me that the movie would be about anyone but a new set of white guys. And not only was it not, but there are women all over the place, as soldiers and pilots and what have you. It was a scruffy future that I could have a place in, and that was amazing to me.

I have to say, though, that Rey was not actually my favorite character. Finn was. The minion who decides to stop being a minion, and the ordinary person who does the right thing at great personal cost not because he's special or related to someone special, but because it's the right thing to do, are some of my favorite tropes ever. I also really loved that actor.

That being said, Rey giving whiny emo dark lord a light saber beat down was one of the most satisfying things I have ever seen in a movie.
I am just weak, weak, weak for the "lonely survivalist wanderer in a wasteland finds some friends" thing. WEAK FOR IT. Especially when the wanderer is a scruffy young woman. (Or a scruffy old woman, but that literally never happens. The only example I can think of, sort of, is Elizabeth Moon's Remnant Population, which I adore.) That said, I absolutely loved the stuffing out of Finn too, because yeah, one of my other favorite tropes is the character who is supposed to be a weapon, a cog in a machine, but rediscovers their humanity and learns how to properly "people" again. Really, this movie could hardly have done a better job of hitting a bunch of my narrative kinks. Poe I am mostly fond of because he's terribly pretty, as he doesn't get much to do here. However, my initial reaction to him was, "Omigod, you're pretty. Can we keep you?" AND WE DID! (Also, he seems sweet. I hope he gets more character stuff in the next movie.)

I have gotten so used to movies right now being less progressive/diverse than when I was a kid, which is pretty appalling considering how white and male they were then. It never occurred to me that the movie would be about anyone but a new set of white guys. And not only was it not, but there are women all over the place, as soldiers and pilots and what have you. It was a scruffy future that I could have a place in, and that was amazing to me.

Yes! It didn't hit me so much when I initially watched the movie; it's really more that it sank in over the next few days how gloriously included I felt in this vision of the future, not just because of the sheer prevalence of women, but there were so many different ones too! Like, you wanna be an old, tough criminal lady instead of the young, fresh-faced Chosen One? HEY, WE GOT ONE RIGHT HERE! It was great. :D

... and yeah, unfortunately, I agree on the "less diverse", although I also feel like the background level of diversity (the minimum baseline) has come up a lot in the last 30 years. And there have also been a few genre movies in the last couple of years that did a pretty nice job of trying hard to improve (like Pacific Rim or Fury Road). It just really felt like in the 70s/80s they were really trying, even though what they achieved was pretty half-assed sometimes (but it was interesting for me watching the original Star Wars trilogy back-to-back last week and noticing how they went from all-white, all-male extras in the first movie, to a lot more racial and gender diversity in the last one, even though it still wasn't up to par for what we'd hope for now). And then they just quit trying. I hope the spectacular success of this movie will be a help.

Whiny emo dark lord's beat-down was SO SATISFYING. Especially after he did that massively spoilery thing. Someone on tumblr suggested having the whole cast line up to punch him in the face. I would be so there for that.

Also, this twitter is a thing of beauty forever.
Ooooh, that novel looks so intriguing, and it's by Greg Rucka! BUT. I'm new to this whole Star Wars thing, and don't know how much fandom normally takes into account tie-in novels from the SW universe; will people treat these backstories as canon or not? Will reading them interfere with my ability to enjoy other backstories people write in fic just because they haven't read the novels themselves? I don't know!

Very tempted to read it though, esp with your rec.
My general feeling based on other fandoms I've been in that had a lot of tie-ins and extra-canonical background resources (such as Stargate) is that people will completely ignore it as canon for fic. I definitely haven't seen anything specifically referencing it so far, though granted I'm not reading a lot of fic. And it is good! ... at least I thought so. It's pretty short for what you get, and I feel like it's aimed at a youngish audience, but it was really enjoyable, certainly up there with the good fanfic I've read in this fandom.

My own reaction is that, since it isn't clear whether it's meant to be 100% canon or not, I'm incorporating the things I like into my personal headcanon, and ignoring the things that don't work for me. So far, that seems to be working fine.

... fwiw, ymmv, etc. :D
What about the books written before A New Dawn (which I hadn't heard of)? I read a lot of them for a while, epsecially loving the ones by Timothy Zahn I seem to remember, before stopping for reasons I'm not really sure of now (wish I'd read the lot, tbh). I know that all the books had to be vetted by Lucas Films at the time, but have never been sure if they were considered canon or not.

Not that I'm thinking of writing or reading fanfic any time soon, just wondering how they fit, or don't fit, with the new movies.

(Btw, what's EU? I'm assuming not the European Union, lol!)
Ah, right, that explains it, thanks. I hadn't realised they had contradicted each other though, I thought they were vetted by Lucas Films. Maybe I'm remembering that wrong! Anyway, just need to work out where I got up to now - and finish my current obssession, which is Steven Saylor's Roman detective series! Thanks!
Ooh! Thank you for the link! I had no idea there was this much tie-in canon; I knew they were wiping out the EU, but for some reason I'd thought that meant canon was going to be exclusively the movies from now on.
Thank you, that helps! I still have a fondness for the EU (nostalgia probably), but it's good to know what the new canon books etc are!
Yeah, I felt a bit ridiculous at myself for buying it, but then it was really great!
I think the new movie made me feel really good about the whole franchise, and the direction it's moving in
Yes, yes, yes!
That's interesting that you feel that lack of urge to write fic about it-- I went into AO3 looking for fic today, and just kind of noped out after a couple pages, and I don't even know why. Nothing looked awful (though I object to Rey/Kylo Ren on principle), I just... hmm. Didn't want fanon to overtake my perceptions of the characters, maybe? Don't feel like there's many holes to fill? The movie stopped at such a clearly in media res spot that I'd rather just wait to find out what's actually going to happen rather than read about what fandom thinks is going to happen. (Plus, a lot of the new fic is shipping the Rey/Finn/Poe OT3, and I'm just not quite there yet with the characters.)

On the other hand, I just finished a rewatch of the original series, and I find myself really, really shipping Han/Leia. OH NO.
I don't have a problem with people shipping or writing about Rey/Kylo Ren, if it floats their boat, but that pairing is SO NOT MY THING, omg. My Kylo Ren OTP is Kylo Ren/Rey's lightsaber.

Didn't want fanon to overtake my perceptions of the characters, maybe? Don't feel like there's many holes to fill? The movie stopped at such a clearly in media res spot that I'd rather just wait to find out what's actually going to happen rather than read about what fandom thinks is going to happen.

Yeah, I think these two things are a huge part of my own lack of interest, as well. With the Big Post-Canon Fixit fic we were talking about in chat, I realized that in order to write it, I'm going to have to come up with answers to all the mysteries canon has dangled in front of us: who Rey is, how Snoke is connected to everyone, what the First Order's next move is, and so forth. And I don't want to tie myself to personal headcanons on any of this! I just want to know what canon is going to do next! Same thing with reading fic about most of the character relationships in the movie, because they're all so unformed now that they could develop in any direction, and I don't want to, say, tie myself to a gen Finn-Rey buddyship if they're going to pair up in the next movie, or whatever.

On the other hand, I just finished a rewatch of the original series, and I find myself really, really shipping Han/Leia. OH NO.

AUGH ME TOO. And also finding myself quite okay with a Han/Leia, Luke/Han "V" (though not an actual OT3 because of the incest thing). I'm really having a lot of feeling for these adorable space dorks right now, as my tumblr can probably attest.
I realized that in order to write it, I'm going to have to come up with answers to all the mysteries canon has dangled in front of us

Yeahhh, that's a lot of effort to put into something that you know for almost sure is going to get jossed within a year and a half. I will be curious to see if anyone else does write something similar, or if the fandom mostly trends towards short fic.

(I will admit I have considered writing the fic-- very short and brief-- where Han falls off the bridge, gets sucked into an air vent like Luke in ESB, and gets rescued... but that's mostly pure wish fulfillment.

I also hope someone writes the pre-canon Han/Leia story about the good times. That, I will read.)
WRITE IIIIIIT! /shameless

I might just end up writing little idficcy wish-fulfillment snippets instead of a whole epic. Mostly involving reunions, or Han and Rey bumming around the galaxy being space pirates together.

... ahaha, I can't reblog this to my tumblr because I'm still trying not to reblog too many spoilers, but it made me grin: this fanart. (Though it's still fairly heartstabby.)
I'm not really interested in getting into the fanfic for Star wars either. I have not written a lot of fanfic in general and have nothing to add here and I don't want to read other fanfic I guess because I loved what we got so far and am more interested in what will come in the next movies. Plus too much of a chance others will write interpreting things in ways that don't fit my view.
Yeah; I've been poking around fic archives, but just not finding anything that interests me much, and while I've read a bit of fic for the new movie, I think I prefer the canon versions and am more interested in finding out what canon wants to do with them than in exploring the characters through fic.
I don't feel a pull towards fanfic. The only thing I'm thinking about is dusting off the Star Wars books I was in the midst of reading before RL got in the way, but I'm not sure if I will. They were better than the average tie-in novels, and had to be okayed by Lucas Films if I remember correctly, so that they didn't contradict each other. Certainly the ones written by Timothy Zahn were good - so good I read an original trilogy by him. I really should check out his other original work, now that I think about it...